Hey Bill.
Nope, there's not really any 'approved' way to share.
A couple of things to consider that relate, though. Before sharing, a project should really be completed. I.e. it's in the Music Library. Reason being that the collaboration only technically transitions into being a jointly owned work once everyone has agreed to their credits and splits. Prior to that, anyone on the project could walk, taking any contributions with them.
Meantime, permission is also not explicit with regard to using a collaborator's work outside of the realms of a project whilst it is 'open' and tracks essentially remain individually protected by copyright. This is probably much more important in a 'member' project, as opposed to a 'public' project that outsiders can see anyway, but just good etiquette in general to get it all finished before sharing outside of the site.
Once the project is completed, as a copyright owner, you can do with it as you will, in accordance with applicable laws, etc. So if you want to post and share on social media, and how you would do that, would be up to you, or as agreed with collaborators if there is a bigger picture.
Do be wary about posting on social sites, SoundCloud etc. under a Creative Commons license. Particularly if it wasn't agreed with your co-owners. CC may not be in the interests of all parties and could be a really bad call if one or some of your co-owners have plans for licensing or sales. A touchy subject for some I believe as once a song is licensed under Creative Commons the license can't be revoked! So maybe worth considering and discussing too.
A rule of thumb we have on the site is that it is always a good idea to be open, transparent, and to communicate as much as possible with collaborators, to avoid confusion and other issues that could cause problems.
Hope that answered your question to some extent at least?
- Lee
Nope, there's not really any 'approved' way to share.
A couple of things to consider that relate, though. Before sharing, a project should really be completed. I.e. it's in the Music Library. Reason being that the collaboration only technically transitions into being a jointly owned work once everyone has agreed to their credits and splits. Prior to that, anyone on the project could walk, taking any contributions with them.
Meantime, permission is also not explicit with regard to using a collaborator's work outside of the realms of a project whilst it is 'open' and tracks essentially remain individually protected by copyright. This is probably much more important in a 'member' project, as opposed to a 'public' project that outsiders can see anyway, but just good etiquette in general to get it all finished before sharing outside of the site.
Once the project is completed, as a copyright owner, you can do with it as you will, in accordance with applicable laws, etc. So if you want to post and share on social media, and how you would do that, would be up to you, or as agreed with collaborators if there is a bigger picture.
Do be wary about posting on social sites, SoundCloud etc. under a Creative Commons license. Particularly if it wasn't agreed with your co-owners. CC may not be in the interests of all parties and could be a really bad call if one or some of your co-owners have plans for licensing or sales. A touchy subject for some I believe as once a song is licensed under Creative Commons the license can't be revoked! So maybe worth considering and discussing too.
A rule of thumb we have on the site is that it is always a good idea to be open, transparent, and to communicate as much as possible with collaborators, to avoid confusion and other issues that could cause problems.
Hope that answered your question to some extent at least?
- Lee
#1548 Posted Sat 18 Jun, 2016 10:51 am
Great explanation! I've been burned in the past when my tracks have been taken before project completion without my knowledge and shared on other sites. This was due to my own ignorance, so lesson learned with CC licensing. Appreciate the ProCollabs copyright options so much. It's incredibly important for each artist to have control over their personal brand and how their work is shared with the public. Not that I have any delusions of granduer, its more about personal integrity, commitment to a certain quality level and control over where my music is heard...it would displease me greatly if it were to be used for a purpose that conflicts with my moral values.
#1552 Posted Sun 19 Jun, 2016 12:52 am
fwiw, it's not correct that you can't change the CC. You can. However, that doesn't retroactively change the licensing of something that was release / made available under the CC before the change.
That was what bit Anne, if I recall. Fortunately it got sorted out, but good points and things to be careful of.
That was what bit Anne, if I recall. Fortunately it got sorted out, but good points and things to be careful of.
#1553 Posted Sun 19 Jun, 2016 3:18 pm
"...that doesn't retroactively change the licensing of something that was release / made available under the CC before the change." - - - - Exactly! It can be changed, but it cannot be revoked from someone who already downloaded it and used or is using it with that CC license. I think a lot of folk learned that the hard way a few years back. :/
I'll tell ya, I used to be overly cautious about using CC licenses, but now I feel a bit more comfortable using them. Ya just have to make sure to read them all very carefully, and use the one that best suits you.
I'll tell ya, I used to be overly cautious about using CC licenses, but now I feel a bit more comfortable using them. Ya just have to make sure to read them all very carefully, and use the one that best suits you.
#1554 Posted Sun 19 Jun, 2016 3:26 pm
Licensing is crazy. I dealt with that crap exclusively for 2 years at work. :)
#1555 Posted Sun 19 Jun, 2016 5:38 pm
"...that doesn't retroactively change the licensing of something that was release / made available under the CC before the change." - - - - Exactly! It can be changed, but it cannot be revoked from someone who already downloaded it and used or is using it with that CC license. I think a lot of folk learned that the hard way a few years back. :/
I'll tell ya, I used to be overly cautious about using CC licenses, but now I feel a bit more comfortable using them. Ya just have to make sure to read them all very carefully, and use the one that best suits you.
Originally posted by RAVEN on Sun 19 Jun, 2016
You CAN revoke a previously secured CC license if you find that the requirements/terms for the license are NOT being followed. They ALL say that as clear as day on the "human-readable summary" under the "you are free to:" statement where it says..."The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms". That's pretty plain English for saying that if you DO NOT adhere to the specified terms then your permission to use the material CAN be revoked at any time by the licensing party :)
#1651 Posted Sat 09 Jul, 2016 10:28 am
You CAN revoke a previously secured CC license if you find that the requirements/terms for the license are NOT being followed. They ALL say that as clear as day on the "human-readable summary" under the "you are free to:" statement where it says..."The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms". That's pretty plain English for saying that if you DO NOT adhere to the specified terms then your permission to use the material CAN be revoked at any time by the licensing party :)
Originally posted by DanielWilliams on Sat 09 Jul, 2016
Oh of course a license can be revoked if a person isn't adhering to the terms.
We were yapping about when someone chooses a license, then decides to change it or revoke it, and expects everyone who downloaded their content to stop using it.
I feel much more at ease with CC licenses nowadays. :)
We were yapping about when someone chooses a license, then decides to change it or revoke it, and expects everyone who downloaded their content to stop using it.
I feel much more at ease with CC licenses nowadays. :)
#1652 Posted Sat 09 Jul, 2016 10:47 am
Oh of course a license can be revoked if a person isn't adhering to the terms.
We were yapping about when someone chooses a license, then decides to change it or revoke it, and expects everyone who downloaded their content to stop using it.
I feel much more at ease with CC licenses nowadays. :)
Originally posted by RAVEN on Sat 09 Jul, 2016
Gotcha...yeah that would be kinda lame to expect that :)
#1653 Posted Sat 09 Jul, 2016 10:56 am
e.g. a post to facebook, that sort of thing.
Also, a tangential question - given the licensing of stuff, is there any restriction on doing the above or say posting a track from a project you created but have shared using say Fair Shares on SoundCloud?
- bill